Hello again

Is there a good way to apply Hiderpaste to tuning pegs that keep slipping out of tune.

as it is it comes in a block.

I have tryed rubbing the block on to the peg surface, adding a little water to make a paste and then rubbing that on.

the problem is once the paste is on the peg when you try to put the peg in through the back of the head stock...the paste is not going inside the holes...as you push the peg through the holes in the headstock the paste is being pushed down the peg.

Im sure there must be an easy way of doing this.....how do you get the hiderpaste inside the holes that the pegs go into, so that both friction surfaces have paste on them thus stopping the slipping of the peg inside the hole when trying to tune to concert pitch?

your advice on this mater would be appreciated as it is quite frustrating trying to get my guitar to stay in tune

suprisingly there is nothing at all that i could find on the internet about this topic !!!

Perhaps Peter can suggest something here. I haven't had a peg head for several years, so I am not acquainted with this paste. I use to just very lightly sand the part of the peg that was in the head. This makes them a little sticky and tricky to tune, but they hold great. I have also used violin rosin with success. You may have to install maple inserts and drill and taper the inserts to fit correctly if your peg head is to worn.

Manos Lentas wrote:Perhaps Peter can suggest something here. I haven't had a peg head for several years, so I am not acquainted with this paste. I use to just very lightly sand the part of the peg that was in the head. This makes them a little sticky and tricky to tune, but they hold great. I have also used violin rosin with success. You may have to install maple inserts and drill and taper the inserts to fit correctly if your peg head is to worn.

Thanks...i just hope this is not the case.. .i might just try the light sanding bit..if no other suggestions are forthcoming

though i do think that i am starting to have success...i actually mixed the hilderpaste with a little soap...inorder to make it more sticky..and that seems (he said tentativly) to be working...the problem is having just put new strings on they keep needing to be retuned...which breaks the seal i have created and they slip again..i think it is a case of trial and error...i had a romantic view of owning a pegheaded flamenco guitar...give me proper tuners any day...lol

have you tried rubbing a few lines of that stuff on the peg without water?

or maybe ditch the hiderpaste and try peg dope or chalk

check this page out:
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musicia ... rpeg2.html

Thanks leo
I have some peg dope....which didnt really help because it is designed to free up sticky pegs...so as i have the opposite problem it made things worse.

I have tryed rubbing the block onto the pegs...again it just didnt seem to create a large enough friction surface

I think i may have discovered the way to do it by trial and error.......i read on a violin website about using Chalk(as you suggested) mixed with soap

I ditched the chalk and mixed the hilderpaste with soap and that seems to of done the trick...the knack is to leave it for like 24hrs to dry out and expand a bit and now the pegs are nice and tight apart from one which i will be doing again but the resat are now tuning smoothly (touch wood) lol

I will check out the link you posted thanks for that.

Hola Comus,

In my experience guitar makers are very friendly and they will be happy to take a look at the pegs and offer an opinion.
If the pegs are being a problem and if they have been used a lot it may be that they have now worn to an uneven shape.
The repair does not necessarily cost too much money.

Saludos

Tomas

Hi Tomas

thanks for your advice...i have considered taking it to a luthier i was considering cheaper options first...but i think i may have no choice...as despite my efforts the strings continue to slip intermittantly

I had a similar problem with my José Ramírez flamenco guitar pegs a couple years ago. For many years the pegs had been easy to adjust and had held tuning positions without slipping. Then over a relatively short period of time they started sticking and at times were very difficult to turn. If I pulled them out slightly to relieve the sticking they would slip. Sanding them lightly with very fine grit sandpaper would make them work better for a few days, but the problem always returned.

I went to the Peter Prier & Sons violin restoration shop in Salt Lake City for advice. They repair and restore Stradivarius other fine violins. Peter Prier also ran a world-renowned violin making school for many years. Most violins have similar pegs, so I thought they would know what to do.

They sold me some violin peg dope ($10) that they use and told me to apply it very sparingly. They also told me to be sure to wind strings around the pegs so they exit the pegs as close as possible to peghead to reduce diagonal peg leverage. They said even though it might seem contradictory, the dope would cure both the stickiness and the slipping.

I applied the dope and thought I was applying it sparingly as recommended, but the pegs were very slippery. They were very easy to turn, but turned so easily that they wouldn't hold tunings reliably. I removed the pegs, wiped them with with a rag, poked the corner of a small rag inside the peg holes and wiped them, restrung the guitar, and tried the pegs again. They worked much better. I repeated that process two or three more times, each time with improvement. Since then the pegs have worked perfectly. The guitar is very easy to tune and the pegs don't slip. The problem had a very simple $10 solution. I just had to learn the hard way that when they said "very sparingly," they meant "very, very sparingly."

-Bob

hello Bob

thank you for your most helpfull reply.....I actually have some Peg dope...but only tried it once...because as you mentioned the pegs tune very easily but under full tension they would always slip ...that is why i used the hildepaste because it is reccomended for slipping pegs..but it works only intermitantly

funnily enough i am having the most trouble with the strings with the least tension especially B and E slipping under tension..were as the low E A and D seem ok so far.
i think what intrests me is that you put some peg dope into the hole...i think this is part of the problem only having peg dope on one surface is causing slippage under tension.

I wonder if you could please explain a little more about what you meant about the diagonal peg leverage i couldnt quite picture what you meant...i did wonder if there was a correct way to string peg head flamenco guitars ?

this is all new to me i have played guitar for 20 years but never owned or used a peg head before...so had no idea how much involving the whole proccess is

Also do you know if peg sets for flamenco guitars use a standard pattern, and also do you think that any peg can go in any hole...because i was wondering if perhaps at one time a peg was designed to fit a particular tuner hole...i ask because the tops of a couple of the pegs stick out a little higher than the others ...which makes me think that might be the case.

I will go now and try as you suggested and see how it goes

Thanks again

yes, it might be the way you're winding it. you need minimal windings on the peg.
check out this video
http://www.flamenco-teacher.com/rm/peg.wmv