Discuss all aspects of flamenco dance techniques, including entrada (entering), llamadas (calls), marcaje (marking across the stage), brazeo (arm work), taconeo (footwork) to different rhythms, compas counting, and associated palmas (hand clapping).

Rondena for Baile

Postby AlVal » 07 Mar 2013, 23:35

Hi everyone
Currently gathering material for Rondena for 2 schools I play for.
So far have established 3 letra's of varying length...
I understand the palo itself is part of the fandangos group, from the Malaga region and closely related to a malagueña with an identifiable remate..
Have used the merengue de cordoba material as a starting point ..
One school counts in 6's while the other places it in a 12 beat compas.. To me the 6's seem logical due to the half compass phrases that appear in the letra's
I am looking for insight on how to accompany footwork sections, as well as any falseta material...
Anyone out there had some experience in this palo and are willing to share some expertise?
Or alternatively post any material , video or otherwise...
Greatly appreciated and thank you in advance
Al
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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby Ram » 08 Mar 2013, 00:24

This is the Rondena that I started to learn and it was over my head a few months ago. Will tackle again soon. I think it was transcribed by Alan Faucher. tuning 6th string to Re and 4th string to Fa#
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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby AlVal » 08 Mar 2013, 00:35

My bad
I meant rondenas .... Quite amazing how putting an 's' at the end of the palo can change everything ..
Thank you for the link though...
These are the letra's I've resourced

http://youtu.be/kw_MS8dWrDc
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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby Roland » 08 Mar 2013, 05:13

Al,
I don't know anything about dance accompaniment, but perhaps this video gives you some ideas to work with. They seem to use a 12-beat compas with similarity to bulerias.
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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby TomasJimenez » 08 Mar 2013, 09:04

Hola AlVal

I hope this page might be useful to you:

http://www.zamarrismo.net/spip.php?article35

Saludos

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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby Payul » 08 Mar 2013, 20:56

Thanks Tomás!
Very informative.

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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby AlVal » 08 Mar 2013, 22:42

Thank you everyone
Plenty here to go on..
Really appreciate the response and support..

I managed to get hold of the audio from one the classes that the dance teacher recorded in Spain ..
Now the challenge is to hear the guitar over the mass of footwork !

That is a really great link Tomas... Now added to the bookmark list..
A great resource...

Roland the video was helpful in hearing some phrasing ...

For anyone interested this will be the structure of the dance..( as described by the teacher )

The letra's I posted earlier are known as rondenas chicas..

Falseta libre
Letra 1
Falseta- 2nd part is with feet
Letra 2
?Perhaps a short falseta here?
Escobilla (tapao to start with)
Build up
Cola (if that's what you call it- sounds like a shorter faster letra)
Another build up
Dance off.

This video was also helpful getting some ideas
http://youtu.be/Y_rH7LVPfOw
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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby AlVal » 10 Mar 2013, 01:43

Although this comes up as an Abandolas it seems characteristic of rondenas...
Although no dancing some great accompaniment and cante....
http://youtu.be/3_ll_GHazVA
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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby Bob » 10 Mar 2013, 18:40

There is interesting information and recorded examples relative to Fandangos de Málaga, including both Rondeñas and the Rondeña guitar solo form that Ramón Montoya created, at http://www.studioflamenco.com/About_Fandangos_de_Malaga.html. It doesn't address Rondena for baile, but those wanting to learn more about Fandangos de Málaga generally may find the content interesting if they haven't seen it before.

Rondeñas and Ramón Montoya's Rondeña were always somewhat mysterious to me until recent discussions here at the forum caused me to do some searching and learn more about them. A valuable aspect of our group is not only what we learn directly from each other, but what we stimulate each other to learn otherwise.

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Re: Rondena for Baile

Postby SamC » 11 Mar 2013, 02:51

Not directly for dance, but gives a good example of some falsetas that define the palo. Maybe Roland can pick up on these and help break them down. I really like the ending falseta.
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